Hi dc,

u posted:
81/3=67 (****wrong**** ---> 81/3=27 )

Using the library resources of both universities in Ottawa, I found that the Marsille Roussau book does not exist in any spelling or in either English or French....

sum(4,8,15,16,23,42) = 108, like countdownclock

How about 4 degrees, 8 minutes, 15 seconds latitude, 16 degrees, 23 minutes, 15 seconds being the error in the placement of the aircraft from its suggested location. Would that constitute with being a thousand kilometers off course?

As for the posting about offsetting the numbers to prove they are sequentional
4 8 15 16 23 42
4 7 1 7 19
8 15 16 23 42

And just keep going...
8 15 16 23 42
7 1 7 19
15 16 23 42

This works with any string of assending numbers as an offset and proves nothing

Just randomly select a set of assending numbers if you dont believe me for example I will randomly pick

7 12 24 26 27 30 and do the same thing

7 12 24 26 27 30
5 12 2 1 3
12 24 26 27 30
12 2 1 3
24 26 27 30
2 1 3
26 27 30
1 3
27 30
3
30

Until next time "GOCESE"

The Sweet Trade 5816

4 8 15 16 23 42 Cracked when treated as a resulting hash from the Vigenere algorithm?
I have been playing with the numbers for some time for the fun of it. What can I say I like puzzles? Most of my finding are interesting but they don't really give any answer as to what the numbers actually mean. Without a real answer from the show to validate findings there is no way to know if you are right or wrong. So I am content having fun playing with them. Until we find out for sure we are left with conjecture, assumptions and perhaps trivial coincidence. We all know the numbers are sequential but perhaps that is a clue, its fun anyway.

Having gotting tired of math fun with the numbers I Recently decided to treat the numbers as a resultant hash from an encryption algorithm. We know that the numbers were heard by Sam while in the Navy monitoring radio in Pacific Ocean, so why not.. I started with a very simple cipher called Vigenere which is a fairly old algorithm and easy to crack.

I created a Vigenere matrix consisting of the numbers 1 through 42. I treated the lost numbers as an encrypted Hash, then I checked the matrix to find the numbers resulting from their values in the numerical matrix I created. Came up with 7 15 29 31 3 41 and set these numbers off to the side (maybe more on that in my next posting).

I kept in mind that the original numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42 could also be a number sequence representing alpha characters converted from the letter string produced by Vigenere to further obscure the results, a common practice. Vigenere starts with a word or words, the encrypted result consist of a string of letters. I found something interesting when I solved for the Hash using my matrix.. I am not suggesting that this is what the numbers mean just noting that it is interesting and yes perhaps a coincidence. Here is what I found.

When I used 4 8 15 16 23 42 in the Alpha matrix under the pretense that numbers represented letters resulting from encrypted string being converted to numbers produced by the Vigenere algorithm, The results were a word.

The word was ?GOCESE.? Now keep in mind the numbers seem to focus around Hurley who is of Hispanic decent. So what does ?GOCESE? mean in Spanish?

?GOCESE? translates to the English word ?ENJOY.? Coincidence, perhaps, easter egg maybe. Decide for yourself. For me it is just a puzzle to play with. I have decided to look into Algorithm?s used 16 yrs before the crash of flight 815. I will post any interesting findings. Google Vigenere and/or GOCESE and see for yourself. Until my next posting GOCESE (enjoy).

SweetTrade 5816

The numbers are non-involving quater productions. The pure longitude of the diverity compling pure simple dynamics can only be confirmed as mytholgy. The whole previous connection of the numbers has no relavence to later life. Pandora's Box.

Hey. So, I'm new to all this, having only crammed the entirety of season one in this week. Somebody on this site mentioned Marseille Rousseau and Genetic Mirror Theory, and somebody else said they'd googled and came up with nothing. The spelling of his name is Marsille Roussau. If you google Aubrey Nye, or go to her Personal Communications website, she claims to solve weight problems, fear of flying and etc using magnets. She provides links to such sites as aboutmagnets.com and airfraid.com, and apparently quotes liberally from Roussau's work and his numbers for her book Mirror Images: is this a genetic link to spirit? I'm guessing that one of the Lost creators, given that they hammered out the initial shape of the show in less than three months, used this book he was probably reading at the time to shape a mystery.

if you take 4.815 as latitude

and 162.342 as longitudde

you get a location, about 1000 miles off fiji

and thats where the pilot in episode 1 said they should about (before he died)

Just to let you all know that i have seen up to episode 9 in season two. the numbers become very important. but i warn you its even more mysterious now. still dont know anything about the island. most of it is about the hatch. oh and a main character dies

1623, can this be the time of the crash?
16:23 aka 4:23 PM

Posted by: dingdong at March 26, 2005 01:19 AM

That cant be right because on The Pilot when they are on the plane the time sais 4:00 which means they must of crashed on 4o clock or b4.

THE BEST THEORY EVER!::
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3377

next episode '23rd psalm' 23rd...

not to be mean tom, but i can't find any existance of the "Genetic Mirror Theory" book or anything close. it is an intriging idea though. i think someone making the series planted the Marseille Rousseau thing. i heard they did something similar last year, just to throw people off.

and i think the producers are just toying with us. they like to make us squirm by putting those numbers all over the place. personally, i wish hurley had seen the numbers on the side of the hatch sooner and stopped locke. actually, now that i think about it, locke probably would have gotten it open anyway. poor hurley.

jollyroger, do you know where i can find daniel's equations? i've looked but they escape me. i know my trig and i thought i would have a go at them. maybe give them to my math professor.

(4) 8 15 16 23 42
4 8 15 16 23 42
4 8 15 16 23 42
4 (8) 15 16 23 42
4 8 (15) (16) 23 42
4 8 15 16 (23) 42
4 8 15 16 23 (42)

count up from the bottom and last 42 (row 7) you get to 4 the alpha,
starting in the same place count up 23 you get 8 repeat this for each number count up from the last 42 16 places you get 15 and so on. the numbers are random by themselves but when repeated they are the pattern, the patern is not in the numbers the numbers are the pattern.

You can also get to 4 from the bottom 42 then start at the top left number 4 and count 8 to get to 8 and from 4 count 15 and you will get 15 and so on..

Once Again the numbers are the pattern the pattern is not in the numbers

look below

(connect 4 remember 6 down 7 across) notice the patern on the way up the sides. There is your answer 7 rows of 6 numbers is 42 and the sum of these numbers is 108.

42 4 8 15 16 23 42
23 42 4 8 15 16 23
16 23 42 4 8 15 16
15 16 23 42 4 8 15
8 4 42 23 16 15 8
4 42 23 16 15 8 4

And Yes there is more, but I dont want to ruin all of your fun. Plenty of clues. As for the french womans equations. well study up on some Trig. Clue Trig applied to mechanical engineering.

To sign this so that I can at least prove to those that know me that this is not where I got the answer but that I am the one who posted it I will say (The Sweet Trade 5816)

Yes there is more but guess what I just wanted to get others to start looking the writers are excellent and pay close attention to detail.
They did not lie when they said the numbers are random they just didn't tell you the rest. =0)
Enjoy

By the way they give pleny of clues to figure out the rest and that I will leave to you, Keep in mind it is just a TV show with some kewl puzzels in it to solve nothing more. Just great writing.

I have no idea if it has anything to do with the Lost numbers, but it happened in 1623, so I used my imagination.
Stuff from a place relating to 1623.
In the year 1623
Pinax theatri botanici by anatomist Gaspard Bauhin, [b. Basel, Switzerland, January 17, 1560, d. Basel, December 5, 1624] introduces the practice of using binomial names, one for the genus and a second for the species.
Binomial-binomial (bī'nō'mēəl) , polynomial expression (see polynomial) containing two terms, for example, x+y. The binomial theorem, or binomial formula, gives the expansion of the nth power of a binomial (x+y) for n=1, 2, 3,...,
where the ellipsis (...) indicates a continuation of terms following the same pattern. For example, using the formula and reducing fractions, one obtains (x+y)5=x5+5x4y+10x3y2+10x2y3+5xy4+y5. The coefficients 1, n, n (n−1)/1·2, etc., of x and y may also be found from an array known as Pascal's triangle (for Blaise Pascal), formed by adding adjacent numbers to find the number below them.
That was copied out of an encyclopedia/dictionary, so I have no real idea of what it meant, but who knows.

One more connection to the numbers: In one of Kate's flashbacks from season 1, she went to Iowa and dug up a time capsule she made with her friend Tom. There was a cassette tape inside that she and Tom recorded when they were in junior high. When they played the tape, it said it was recorded on August 15 (8-15). I just found this site today and I didn't see this posted anywhere, although the episode aired a long time ago so maybe I just didn't read back far enough!

quote from Tom

"Its the theory that was devised by a French Mathematician named Marseille Roussau in the year 1988"

As in Danielle Rousseau ? The french woman on the island ?

23 was the gate number thier flight took off from.

I know this may be kinda lame, but still, along with David's last post:

1623: 1+6+2+3=12
1+2=3

i've read somewhere that the are many connections to three (ie add 1st 3 numbers and last 3 together and both are divisible by 3) and some other stuff about 3 being the 'safe' number because of it.
could it be an actual connection, or one of my late-night sleepless rants?!

It is definitely sequential...write the numbers in a row, then below each number write the difference between that number and the next incremental number. Then sum the two numbers in each column....

4 8 15 16 23 42
4 7 1 7 19
8 15 16 23 42

And just keep going...
8 15 16 23 42
7 1 7 19
15 16 23 42

Hopefully everyone noticed that Jin spoke English in the advertisement for next week's episode. Well I agree with the mirror image twin theory, and think that man is Jin's twin and that Jin either got eaten by the shark or drowned.

i know that to dream that you are being pursued or attacked by a bear, denotes aggression, overwhelming obstacles and competition. You may find yourself in a threatening situation. Alternatively, bears symbolize the cycle of life and death and renewal. It may signal of period of introspection and thinking. The dream may also be a pun on "bare". Perhaps you need to bare your soul and let everything out into the open.

To see a polar bear in your dream, signifies a reawakening.

maybe this is how the polar bear is symbolic?

I recently found an interesting natuarlly occuring thoery found in our world that states everyone has a mirror image somewhere in the world. You may have heard of this. Its called Roussau's genetic mirror theory, and I must say it is very interesting. Roussau's genetic mirror theory says that everyone in the world has an exact twin somewhere, however according to the theory you never encounter this person, by laws of probablitly and other natuaral occuring phemnomen. Its the theory that was devised by a French Mathematician named Marseille Roussau in the year 1988. He used a series of numbers to explain his theory. Now I know you're not going to believe this but here goes.

4 8 15 16 23 42

Let me explain...

The 4 stands for 4 degrees of separation (not 6 or 7 as commonly stated.) Roussau believed that everyone in the world was connected by four different people. So in theory could meet yourself by using four different people connected to you. Example: Your brother's, boss's, neighbor nephew, knows your mirror. Hard to believe, I know but keep reading.

The 8 stands for the eight continent, or the only place in the world where you could meet your mirror. He calculated it to be somewhere in the south pacific. Now we know its not actually as large as the other contintents but its used figurtively because everyone in all 7 continents could meet there mirror on the 8th universal continent.

The 15 stands for the chances of you acually meeting yourself on this place, as in 15 out of 4,815,162,342. Look at the second set "815." Ring any bells? Interesting huh?

The 16 stands for the maximum amount of people that could encounter thier twin all at the same time. Think about the number of main characters.

The 23 is the number of years apart your twin and yourself are. You are not the same age as your twin. By chance and probablity it takes 23 years exactly for the same genes that made you to be connected again to form another you.

The 42 stands for the maximimum number of years your twin and yourself can be alive at the same time. However people do die at diffferent times so thats why everyone isn't dead at 75. For example my twin was born on Sept. 6 2003 b/c i was born on Spet. 6 1980. Now that doesn't mean i will die in the year 2045, I could, but its not set in stone. My twin could die when he is 16, and then the whole thing starts over again.

This is all very complicated and I don't know how well I explained it but the connections with the show are too coinidental to not be real.

Roussau and his team (wife, included) went to the 8th continent. You can figure out how they died and why by the numbers and equations. It also fits with every character. You can predict when they will die. There are others on the island who are twins of the survivors, but have been there 23 years longer.

There is a book Roussau wrote 16 years ago in 1988 when he came up with the theory. Thats where I got it from.

wow ur well smart ?

Just a quick observsation from watching tonights (Sept. 14, 2005) replay of the season fianle. The "fated" flight (815) was at gate 23!

4,8,15,16,23,42

All are numbers

There are also 48 survivors, that's another number!

Even there is one island (wow! a number!) And ... oh my god! I think there are 1567232461 coconuts! that's A NUMBER TOO!!!

Weird...

This is a compilation of all the connections: FREAKY
http://thelostnumbers1.greatestjournal.com/

i just thought aboutt his reading through the page:

4 8 15 16 23 42

4+8=12
12+3=15
then....

16+23=39
39+3=42

also..
if you seperate the numbers into THREEs,
(4 8 15),(16,23,42)
when you add up the numbers
4+8+15=27
and...
16+23+42=81
both 27 and 81 are divisible by three!

81/3=67
27/3=9
+---
76, and when you subtract 76 from the flight number(815) that is also divisible by 3!

OBVIOUSLY THREE IS THE KEY TO SOLVING THE MYSTERY!(or opening the hatch?)

ANOTHER BIZZARE TWIST?
4-8-15-16-23-42
RETIRED YANKEE NUMBERS
4-LOU GERIG
8-YOGI BERRA
15-THURMAN MUNSON
16-WHITEY FORD
23-DON MATTINGLY
42-JACKIE ROBINSON
WELL WHAT DO YOU THINK?

ahh yes ,
I always put the combination of my safe
on the out side of the safe door.
....If I was to do that why even have a door in
the first place?

The numbers ARE a MAJOR key that ties everything and everyone TOGETHER.

for me...i think its the combition to open the hatch thats all

-4-8+15+16+23=42

Taking this as a Longitude/Latitude co-ordinates for the opposite "end" of the "tunnel". If it went staright though the center of the Earth the opposite side woule be about -4 8 15 -164 23 42
If you push that into Mapquest you get a target in the South Pacific. If you go to the second from the bottom "Zoom" you can see 3 Ilands noted on the map. I think it's a tunnel from that island to the middle of Africa.

David's post from March 6 (first post??) has me somewhat interested. I like where his idea was going.

4,8 -> 48 -> number of survivors

8,15 -> 815 -> reference to the flight number of plane (and on the photocopier Charlie was trying to sell)

15,16 -> 1516 -> a reference to the year in which Sir Thomas More wrote Utopia(!), which describes a fictional country in which crime and poverty don't exist, possessions are shared, and humanistic ideals prevail

16,23 -> 1623 -> no ideas yet

23,42 -> 2342 -> no ideas yet

Or maybe this is not even close... perhaps I am thinking too hard about it :P

Im sorry David, wrong end of the world Graz

Might want to check your facts, the French woman's crew may have been coming from Antartica, but they wouldn't have had polar bears with them, since polar bears are from the North pole...wrong end of the world David

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The polar bears were released from the French womens crew when they crashed on the island. THey where heading from antarctica when they heard the message relaying the numbers.

1623, can this be the time of the crash?
16:23 aka 4:23 PM

well believe it or not...you can check the
new york lottery..daily numbers this month
march 2005
these numbers came out in this exact order

815 and then exactly (15) draws later
815 came out again
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HOW SCARY IS THAT?????????

Latitude: [4 deg. 8 min. 15 sec.]
Longitude: [16 deg. 23 min. 42 sec.]
i like this Idea andrew,

was thinking there is no way that is where they are. but more like the exact opposite location on the globe if they were going australia to america.
Is it a hatch to a tunnel through the earths core? COOL!
:D

Well, yes, but the numbers aren't random, you've got to admit that.

4, 8, 15;
16, 23, 42;
my guess is that the following 3 will be
43, 62, 135;
And then
136, 209, 570;

if you just look at the difference minus 1. on the first row it's.
3, 6;
then
6, 18

combining them you get the logical sequence
3, 6, 18
wich can be described by x = x[-1] * n
in wich x[-1] is the previous number and n is the index of the number being calculated. Continueing this sequence you get
3, 6, 18, 72, 360 and so on. after seperation
3, 6;
6, 18;
18, 72;

As you can see I used the last 2 rows of results to calculate the following numbers.

So using a logical sequence to get a non-logical sequence, as far as I know, that's not possible. The only thing I fail to explain is the step from 15 to 16 in the original sequence. I suggested it might be a simple +1 there, but it can also be an x[-3] * 4 or anything else that leads to 16.

It's a long story, but my point is that this doesn't feel random. It's actually 3:15 am over here and it keeps me awake that I can't figure out the logic. I'm gonna grab some more paper and write things down. maybe I'm back later with some more.

HA! This is what the directors wanted. You can multiply, divide, subtract and add all you want and eventually you get any number you like. (e.g. the first five plus the last two equal 666.) But that's pointless. Do you think the directors would have chosen numbers that could be easily "figured out?" They have no significance outside the show. Since my IQ is almost certainly higher than all of yours, and I haven't figured it out, you're not going to. So calm yourselves. Now.

The young boy has something to do with it.

He was reading the comic and saw the polar bears...

When he was in Australia and being ignored the bird flew into the window and he happened to be looking at a bird book....

He doesnt wanna leave hence the boat burning...

His step father always said he was lucky and made his own luck :)....

Hope that sheads new light :)

I was thinking that the vault, tank, Hatch thing could be pandora's box.
But they cant open it, but the numbers on the side as well as the radio message and all the other details concerning the 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42 numbers.
But what if the island could be in the Bermuda Triangle. Because they left Sydney to go to New york. So I did a search of anything to do with the numbers and the Bermuda Triangle. And I came up with these.
Aeromagnetic Charts of the U.S. Coastal Region," H.O. Series 17507, 15 sheets. Numbers 9 through 15 cover the "Bermuda Triangle."

An area called the "Devil's Sea" by Japanese and Filipino seamen, located off the east coast of Japan, also exhibits the same magnetic characteristics. It is also known for its mysterious disappearances.

Size of the triangle is dictated by whoever happens to be writing about it, and consequently what ships and the number lost depends largely on which article you read.

Anyways when is the new series of lost come out?

dgagi is the aconym for the information management and administration for the government of Quebec

another idea,

in UNIX time measured in seconds since January 1, 1970. 4815162342 translates to : June 26th, 1986 06:37:26 PM

I think it might be a time/date.

4/8/15 16:23:42

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

There is no French word 'dgagi'
These are not coordinates
They are not dates

However...

The numbers are sequential, they are comma delimited, so no way are they supposed to be added together, and they are in Arabic lettering. This means they are not alien, are not supposed to be added together, and are not a serial number of any kind (serial numbers try to be random).

How about a combination to a door/safe?

AS FAR AS ALIENS UNDERGROUND....
sounds good but one thing...
the NUMBERS on the side
are EARTH numbers...wouldnt they
be numbers like ^*@(_+$%^???????????

in answer to DGAGI
IF YOU ANAGRAM
it comes out

" GAG ID "

You guys are freaking me out. I can't wait until the next new episode airs...

4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and showeth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

15:16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

23:42 several sections, anyone with ideas?

It's a count down of some kind.. just got to watch the show tonight. (Assuming the 1st Number is 0 as all mathematicians do...)

0 4 8 15 16 23 42
4 4 7 1 7 19
0 3 6 6 12
3 3 0 6
0 3 6
3 3
0

Hi.

I ran the following assumption:
Latitude: [4 deg. 8 min. 15 sec.]
Longitude: [16 deg. 23 min. 42 sec.]

The resulting location is almost the center of the African continent. (And, if you look at the globe, the center of the world).

How this could apply, I don't know.

I was thinking maby its a word?
4-8=4 , 8-15=7 etz. And the letters are DGAGI.
I,ve i search with google you get something french but i dont read french.

in the comic, aliens come to earth and hide in a shelter underground on a remote island and begin to take people over (or something like that) sound familiar??

remember the magazine that walker had? remember the polar bear? know how walker can think this and make them come to life/ happen... hello?? also, the magazine actually exists...

All the numbers can be divided by one.

There is only ONE island.

Weeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiird.

42 = hitchikers guide to the galaxy....

4 8 15 16 23 42

4 X 8 = 32
15 + 16= 31
42 - 23 = 19

32 + 31 + 19 = 82

82 is a cool number

My guess is that the numbers are biblical, as it always seem to be.
And how about those polar bears, how the hell did they end up there?
By the help of Noah's ark perhaps?

well 1623 is the year blaise pascal was born (mathematician) and also happens to be the year the Anne arrived in plymouth, bringing new settlers from leyden that the mayflower did not bring over in 1620.
second vessel to bring settlers; second vessel to wreck on the island, i thought it was worth mentioning no matter how far fetched

4,8,15,16,23,42
first 2 numbers 48 number of survivors.

next 2 numbers 815 flight number

next 2 in order 1516 adds to lucky num. 13

next 2 in order 1623 dont know yet?